Would You Pay A Bill That Called You Fat?

Three women who dined at a Stockton Casino were shocked at the words that came on their bill.

It's not what three women were expecting as they sought to settle their tab at Chilly D's restaurant based at the Cameo Club Casino in Stockton on Thursday.

The bill hurt the feelings of the three women, according to ABC News.

"I got the bill, I was looking at the bill [and] I was like, 'Why does this receipt say 'fat girls?'" customer Christine Duran told ABC News in this story.

When the trio demanded an explanation from management about the "Fat Girls" comment on the bill, which was for three tri-tip dinners totaling $25.50, they offered to give the ladies as much as a 50-percent discount on the meal.

But the women refused to pay, and were shocked that the waiter, who apparently used the term to keep track of the bill, according to the story, could be so cruel. They were also shocked that the restaurant would force them to pay the bill after basically insulting them.

The owner of the casino, Jimmy Siemers, apologized for the rude comment and told the women that the casino would take measures to avoid any future incidents. The casino did not make the women pay.

Now we put the question to the readers of the Patch. Would you pay for a bill that insulted you? How would you have handled this situation? Did they overreact? Did the women do the right thing?

Lorie December 11, 2012 at 06:38 AM
Of course they should have paid the bill, fat or not, ofended or not. Why would these women choose to make the issue of their size even bigger (no pun intended)? ...and somehow I doubt that fit people would get offended if they saw "six packers" or "buffed chicks" as a term to describe them written on their restaurant bill.
Mark Paxson December 11, 2012 at 02:44 PM
Oh, come on, if we can agree on two things (TWO THINGS!) in one week, there's hope for our country yet.
Glenda Herbert December 11, 2012 at 06:00 PM
Good grief! Fat people don't need to be told they're fat! We know we are every day that we deal with it! There are a lot of reasons why people are fat, but it's a private issue, and not one for other people to rudely point out! Would a waiter put "blind person" or "man with one leg" on a receipt? Fat people still need to eat, they can't just stop! If you don't understand the unwanted issues that contribute to weight problems, then you have no right to give unsolicited advice or comments in regards to it! Very few people want to be fat! Have a little compassion and respect for a group of people who already find it difficult to face judgmental people every day when they leave their homes. Let them eat in peace by minding your own business. Just because you're not overweight doesn't mean you're perfect! I doubt very much you would want to have your imperfections printed on a receipt and shoved in your face!
Bwood December 11, 2012 at 06:27 PM
By referring to fat as an "imperfection," are you not then being judgmental yourself?
Glenda Herbert December 11, 2012 at 07:58 PM
Not into making sure I speak in politically correct terms every time I try to get a point across... I'm fat; I do judge myself to be imperfect. In a perfect world I would be thin and healthy. But, just like all fat people, I have reasons why I am fat. (Just like a person with a missing leg has reasons why that leg is gone.) We all judge one another, but we don't have to be "judgmental"... It's hard to be fat; those of us who are fat struggle with it enough. We definitely don't need it pointed out to us!
M.Legison December 11, 2012 at 08:16 PM
Doesn't take them long to figure out how to work the system, does it? Being large enough to be your own zipcode is a choice, unlike other demographic characteristics. If they make a big enough stink maybe they can soak the business for some settlement money, and of course that's why they went to the media. First the government, then private businesses. Works for many here in the Golden State.
Tom Brown December 12, 2012 at 03:01 AM
There was probably another table with skinny girls and the waiter didn't want confuse the orders.
Sandy Murphey December 12, 2012 at 03:15 AM
I don't think the waiter was discriminating, only describing what he saw to help him remember. Discriminating would be more along the lines of not serving in the right order, or making them wait for their bill longer than others. There are many ways to do this, but a description isn't discrimination. He may really like "fat chicks", as many men do.
Sandy Murphey December 12, 2012 at 03:30 AM
I'll bet this wasn't the only "descriptive" word this waiter used to help him remember tables. He may have used "blind man" or "one legged man" or "sexy woman" or "dykes" or "bearded man" or "old women". Seems silly not to use the table numbers, but maybe it made things more interesting for him, or maybe he's ADD!
Ann Carranza December 12, 2012 at 03:38 AM
@Sandy Murphey: Institutionalized discrimination (bias) within a society, through the use of negatively descriptive words, indicates clearly how such bias is generally accepted and used. The pain these women felt--the women to whom the bias (discrimination) was directed--was obvious. Maybe you've been lucky enough never to have felt discrimination directed at you. Perhaps you cannot imagine how it feels to be the recipient of direct bias-driven language.
Bwood December 12, 2012 at 03:22 PM
M., I see Gloria Allred on the horizon …
Jeffrey Wright December 12, 2012 at 03:57 PM
A person without a leg has no options for regrowing a new leg but someone who is overweight and out of shape has a plethora of things they can do to change their situation ...
Bwood December 12, 2012 at 04:17 PM
Well said, Jeffrey. Likewise for a blind person..
Sandy Murphey December 12, 2012 at 07:10 PM
Thin people aren't perfect; actually there is no perfection. We all have reasons why we are who we are. The "whys" really don't matter; but sometimes they help us feel better about a behavior we do. An excuse is just an excuse, and we all use them from time to time, with authority figures in our lives, or friends or partners. Judgement is necessary for survival. Imagine that the waiter used these words not as judgement, but only as observation. Have you ever observed a fat person, a blue bird, a thin teen, a white cloud, an orange sunset, and old person, a disabled person, etc.? Consider as you go through your day, how many times you make observations and judgements? Really, check in on yourself honestly.
Sandy Murphey December 12, 2012 at 10:10 PM
As a rule from many studies, fat may be unhealthy for obvious reasons. Being too thin may also indicate health issues. But this isn't the topic here; it's observation and discrimination. I discriminate against smokers, because being around them makes me gasp for breath. I'm so glad about the laws that discriminate against them; I can breathe easier in public places. It's a serious health hazard for many of us who don't smoke. On the "FAT" topic, I also have my preferences. I prefer "a FAT, BLACK penis to a thin white one. Am I discriminating? You bet I am! And I prefer a tall, slender male lover, to a short fat one. Money wouldn't make any difference! Can we admit our own discriminating? It might be a step in understanding other's. Anyone else willing to share?
M.Legison December 12, 2012 at 10:22 PM
Heh---you might well be on to something there BW!
Jeffrey Wright December 12, 2012 at 10:33 PM
A little to much info Sandy !! Good luck with that .....................
Ash Leigh December 12, 2012 at 11:38 PM
oh my. hahahahhahhaaaaa.
TheRealBigCouchPotato December 12, 2012 at 11:45 PM
Wow! Lots of comments on this one....
Sandy Murphey December 13, 2012 at 02:17 AM
Words are very powerful, and have an ability to trigger intense responses. Try these words on yourself: Mother, Father, feminine, masculine, death, birth, religion, pro-choice, abortion, money, suicide, cancer, circumcision, Black, Latino, Jew, Italian, Polish, German, Catholic, baby, family, atheist, President Obama, Romney, Palin, Bill Mahr, Kardashians, War, Christmas, alcoholic, AA, OA, DA, DEA, drugs, porn, marijuana, dogs, cats, rats, and on and on. See how powerful words are; they can bring up instant reactions, depending on your state of mind, your perspective, and your experience with the meaning behind the words for you. FAT is only a word, but look at the reactions it created. There are layers of meaning attached to this word. In Hawaiian history, the fatter you were, the more you were held in high esteem. Many kings were fat, and I think we know that it wasn't a thyroid problem. I actually think that the word "FAT" is used by young people to describe something great or awesome, as in "That's FAT man!" I guess we're way beyond the childhood song "Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never harm me!" Nowadays we give lots of power to words, and blame others for hurting our feelings, when we don't realize that only we can hurt our feelings. Back to this case in point, I think these women saw an opportunity, and ran with it, and way beyond what was necessary after being comped their meal. When will they be satisfied?
Bwood December 13, 2012 at 03:58 AM
Right after dessert?
Sandy Murphey December 13, 2012 at 02:27 PM
Good one!
Pablo Honey December 13, 2012 at 08:39 PM
Since they are just words then maybe it would have been better to have called them thick gals, but if they didn't like that and to those that don't think the work 'fat' is offensive maybe ugly is something that you feel more comfortable with.
Sandy Murphey December 13, 2012 at 08:48 PM
Bottom line is that the waiter used his choice of words for "his" purpose. It wasn't a communication to anyone but himself. Ever write a note to yourself that's just mean't for your eyes, or email a friend using some expletives you wouldn't want your mom to see? There you go. Look at your own behavior; it's full of worse stuff than this, but easier to see other's than our own. Right? No one's copping to seeing themselves.
Ash Leigh December 13, 2012 at 10:37 PM
That table "name" is noted on all documentations. It's not just a note the waiter is to see with his eyes only. Someone doing audits would come across that and snicker. That's like talking on your phone loudly in public and cursing. Yes, the conversation is with the individual on the other line, but I can still hear you and will tell you to watch your language.
Sandy Murphey December 14, 2012 at 03:27 AM
Are audits done before the customer leaves each table? So the auditor can read the comments, look at the customers, and snicker at them? Thanks for enlightening me about this. This truly is an invasion of privacy. We should let those nice women know the extent of this insult to their size.
Ash Leigh December 14, 2012 at 05:38 PM
Sandy, I was only remarking on your statement, "wasn't a communication to anyone but himself" and "ever write a note to yourself that's just ment for your eyes." I was only pointing out, other people will see this receipt, including company personnel. It wasn't a notation that he would only see. I wasn't criticizing you in anyway - but take it how you want it.
Peter Cook December 17, 2012 at 09:04 PM
Well it's a good job he didn't write "hippos". That would have kicked off the animal rights groups.
Sandy Murphey December 18, 2012 at 03:41 AM
Good point!
Ng January 04, 2013 at 05:22 PM
thums up Sandra !


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